tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8840695227917041221.post6908848221429810996..comments2024-01-31T07:38:40.980-06:00Comments on The Whore of All the Earth: BYU's newspaper publishes letter critical of Prop 8's legality, then pulls itLeahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08129509609170344883noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8840695227917041221.post-38353343880619075812011-04-13T13:30:23.832-05:002011-04-13T13:30:23.832-05:00@Tommy: You can hold whatever opinion you want, bu...@Tommy: You can hold whatever opinion you want, but you aren't entitled to your own set of facts. When an opinion is based on lie upon lie, it's a wrong opinion. <br><br>Ultimately, "opinion" should mean "preference" and when it does, yes, you're entitled to whatever opinion you want. However, most of the time people are not referring to mere preference. In such cases, "opinion" simply means "conclusion about reality" and guess what? Most of those are verifiable to some degree. <br><br>And of course, I love the implication that, if the majority voted for it, the minority should suck it up. That's bullshit too. I mean that in a technical sense; it's a deliberate miscommunication of a concept. It doesn't matter who you are, one person's rights end where another begins; the minority needs protection from the majority. A judicial ruling that a given law is unconstitutional is one of the clearest expressions of our system's ideals. Especially when one removes religious bias from the reasoning for a law, which of course, is the whole bloody point.liminalthoughtshttp://liminalthoughts.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8840695227917041221.post-90398149014501839012010-09-10T19:52:26.342-05:002010-09-10T19:52:26.342-05:00Move to Canada, then. This is America. We vote for...Move to Canada, then. This is America. We vote for stuff to happen...Tommynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8840695227917041221.post-12380056094641774932010-09-09T09:39:50.192-05:002010-09-09T09:39:50.192-05:00@Tommy: You can hold whatever opinion you want, bu...@Tommy: You can hold whatever opinion you want, but you aren't entitled to your own set of facts. When an opinion is based on lie upon lie, it's a wrong opinion. <br /><br />Ultimately, "opinion" should mean "preference" and when it does, yes, you're entitled to whatever opinion you want. However, most of the time people are not referring to mere preference. In such cases, "opinion" simply means "conclusion about reality" and guess what? Most of those are verifiable to some degree. <br /><br />And of course, I love the implication that, if the majority voted for it, the minority should suck it up. That's bullshit too. I mean that in a technical sense; it's a deliberate miscommunication of a concept. It doesn't matter who you are, one person's rights end where another begins; the minority needs protection from the majority. A judicial ruling that a given law is unconstitutional is one of the clearest expressions of our system's ideals. Especially when one removes religious bias from the reasoning for a law, which of course, is the whole bloody point.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8840695227917041221.post-48950314652185753512010-09-09T01:28:07.502-05:002010-09-09T01:28:07.502-05:00What happened to people having opinions? And why c...What happened to people having opinions? And why can't people accept the fact that people voted Prop 8 to be a law... Just because you have an opinion about something doesn't mean that everyone else's is wrong.Tommynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8840695227917041221.post-12428617675591006422010-09-08T14:56:08.171-05:002010-09-08T14:56:08.171-05:00Infidel, I saw that! Very exciting!Infidel, I saw that! Very exciting!Leahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08129509609170344883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8840695227917041221.post-79459341004977334372010-09-08T14:40:21.624-05:002010-09-08T14:40:21.624-05:00Pharyngula's posted about this now.....It will...Pharyngula's posted about this now.....It will become widely known.Infidel753https://www.blogger.com/profile/10965786814334886696noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8840695227917041221.post-57199122063854090422010-09-08T14:02:35.940-05:002010-09-08T14:02:35.940-05:00I think pulling the letter was the worst thing str...I think pulling the letter was the worst thing strategically they could have done. Things don't go away on the internet just because you take them down. In fact trying to hide something usually has the opposite effect! The fact that they don't want people to see this is going to make it spread twice as fast.<br /><br />I was talking with Jon Adams today whether all the publicity would make disciplinary action against Crall more or less likely. Hopefully less, but we'll all have to wait and see. All he did was tell the truth. If BYU comes down on him for that, it will be a PR nightmare for them.Leahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08129509609170344883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8840695227917041221.post-72318073305016945952010-09-08T13:59:18.167-05:002010-09-08T13:59:18.167-05:00Shame on them. Pulling the letter was petty and f...Shame on them. Pulling the letter was petty and foolish.<br /><br />John Gilmore's quote is as relevant as ever: "The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it."<br /><br />--Leah @ <a href="http://www.unequally-yoked.com" rel="nofollow">Unequally Yoked</a>Leahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16496144988509668275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8840695227917041221.post-87685265319835426092010-09-08T12:53:43.734-05:002010-09-08T12:53:43.734-05:00Geez! I was afraid something like this might happe...Geez! I was afraid something like this might happen. I'm glad the USU blog picked it up, though. Doesn't the LDS Church realize how mind-numbingly dumb this sort of thing makes them look? (Rhetorical question.) Thanks for posting this update, Leah.Donna Bantahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01271377907141866718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8840695227917041221.post-88162759269250180132010-09-08T10:15:52.099-05:002010-09-08T10:15:52.099-05:00Thank you for linking to this. The letter is quit...Thank you for linking to this. The letter is quite insightful. It's understandable that the advocates of Prop. 8 did not dare bring their obvious lies into court testimony, where they could be held accountable and exposed, unlike in the back-and-forth of a political campaign.<br /><br />On the other hand, it wouldn't surprise me if Crall is penalized for telling the truth. To paraphrase Voltaire, it is dangerous to be right when the religious authorities are wrong.Infidel753https://www.blogger.com/profile/10965786814334886696noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8840695227917041221.post-64514310594490404732010-09-08T09:16:02.553-05:002010-09-08T09:16:02.553-05:00What an excellent human being. I too would like to...What an excellent human being. I too would like to see everyone, not just Mormons, who oppose equal rights, admit to themselves and to the world that it's simple bigotry.Dianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09634766750596400436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8840695227917041221.post-86822128190887268132010-09-08T08:53:09.874-05:002010-09-08T08:53:09.874-05:00Kudos to Crall for his boldness.Kudos to Crall for his boldness.Ahabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14675629709031865432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8840695227917041221.post-54895115089324091752010-09-08T07:40:06.847-05:002010-09-08T07:40:06.847-05:00Crall will not be disciplined. He is the star stu...Crall will not be disciplined. He is the star student of the BYU neuroscience department. He scored 44/45 on the MCAT, and that put him on the front page of the DU a while a go. Crall is heroic for using his local prestige to speak truth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8840695227917041221.post-85539745633821902052010-09-08T07:34:32.159-05:002010-09-08T07:34:32.159-05:00Showin my supportShowin my supportDavidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02587411029409154986noreply@blogger.com